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November 12, 1954
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Leavenworth, KS
Italian Reenacting, Italian and Ottoman military history

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  1. Italian Divisions At Time Of Mobilization

    22 December 2016 - 06:41 PM

    I have started a new thread on the status/state of the division at the time of mobilization (August-September 1939). The posts below came from Lx,lxi,lxii,lxiii Carri L When?


    True, but that was the plan. When the btg. carri L were organized in A.S. (1935-1937), only those four divisions were stationed there. The four metropolitan divisions were Brescia, Pavia, Savona and Bologna. As far as I can tell, these were organized in early 1939 as tipo divisioni autotrasp, not divisioni autotrasp. A.S. The only real difference between the two types of autotrasp. were that the tipo A.S. had, in addition, the cp. motociclisti, a btg. carri L, and a btg. complementi.

    Pista! Jeff


    It's wrong the Brescia, Pavia, Savona and Bologna never were organized as divisioni autotrasportabili (metropolitane) but only (in AS) with the divisione autotrasportabile di fanteria tipo AS (1940) but unfortunately they went to As without some divisional units.......and so the difference between autotrasportabile (metropolitana) division (1940) TOE and autotrasportabile AS (1940) division DON'T was only cp motociclisti, btg carri L and btg complementi but also battaglione mitraglieri in AS 40 and battaglione mortai divisionale ( in autotrasportabile tipo metropolitano), two 20mm battery in reggimento ariglieria (AS40) and one in autotrasportabile tipo metropolitano, a engineer btl (in As40) and only engineer coys in tipo metropolitano and naturally a substancial difference in mans and material..............
    All the best
  2. Mussolini's Army In The French Riviera

    27 January 2016 - 03:42 PM

    I recently received and finished reading Emanuele Sica's Mussolini's Army in the French Riviera. The book was published as part of the University of Illinois Press's The History of Military Occupation series. Sica offers an examination the Italian involvement in France after the June 1940 surrender during WW2 war, first addressing the Italian demilitarized zone, then later the Italian occupation zone. I would rank it as a specialist’s book, offering a chronology of events and some details, but understanding it was an introduction to a complex topic more than a definitive work. A major theme is his challenge to the idea that the occupation was shaped more by ‘Italiani Brava Gente’ rather than polices and goals set by the Italian government. After I finished the book, I wondered if the Italian occupation had any real impact on the war. I would need to answer no. Besides the added strain on the Regio Esercito to garrison the area, the occupation had little real impact, if any on the war.

    In his introduction, Sica states that his analysis will examine the occupation at three different levels; as historical sociology rather than using a purely national framework; the structural effects of occupation on the occupied society's environmental and living conditions; and the face-to-face interactions between occupiers and occupied peoples (pg 9). All three levels would include a compare/contrast between the Italian occupation of France, the German occupation of France, and the Italian occupation of the Balkans. While this sounds good, its usefulness was mixed. Sica didn’t do as much of this compare/contrast as he could have; the reader requires a decent background on the other two military occupations to fully understand the context; and the long-term effects of the points compared weren’t offered to the reader (how well did the different/similar approaches work in German occupied France and Italian occupied Balkans). One topic where the compare/contrast worked well is when Sica shows that the Italians could be ruthless, using their occupation of the Balkans to illustrate this point. This reinforces his theme that that it was conditions, polices, and cultural similarities, more than ‘Italiani Brava Gente’, that shaped the nature of the occupation in France. This was a good point to highlight.

    Sica does a good job in addressing the various aspects of the occupation using his three levels. He provides plenty of examples to support his points/comments. focus areas. These comments are well cited and endnoted, offering the reader a good 'first look' at the occupation. I wanted more of this type of detail. The endnotes are well worth reading.

    What Sica brings to the reader is that the Italian occupation wasn’t a story about the armed resistance to the occupiers, but the legal battles waged between the Italian and Vichy governments and the simultaneous internal conflict between the Regio Esercito and the Commissione Italiana per l’Armistizo con la Francia (CIAF). Treaties, laws, and regulations were the weapons of choice, not arrests, round-ups, executions and the like. The first Italian soldier’s death due to partisan activity was on 27 April 1943, a surprising bit of information that contrasts sharply to the popular understanding of the French resistance. While there were earlier attacks, Sica documents that many of them were vendettas against individuals more that organized resistance. The similarities of the French and Italian peoples in terms of religion, culture, society, etc., combined with a careful/controlled use of regulations made this occupation distinctly different from others in Europe. Sica does provide some information on the Italian internment camps, including the harsh conditions and the sometimes arbitrary arrests that put people in the camps. The escape by French Jews from the Free Zone or from the German Occupation area into the Italian zone and their protection by the Italian occupation is another interesting point in this story. In all, the Italian long-term goals are examined, with discussions on how efficiently they were implemented and whether they were effective in achieving their objectives.

    The negatives for me included the lack of hard information provided on garrison size, locations, equipment, etc. There was little discussion of repartitions, the push by Italy to gain access to French military equipment, or Italian demands on the French economic system. Given my interest is mainly military, I wanted a lot more on the activities of the military units. The November 1942 ‘invasion’ itself is addressed only with a very broad brush and the Italian involvement in the attempt to seize the French fleet is barely mentioned. The 1940 invasion and the results of the September 1943 surrender also lack detailed discussion. This is not a military history but more of a political/social history. Nothing wrong with this, just that any readers desiring a purely military examination of the occupation will be disappointed.

    There was a lot of research supporting the book. For me, the bibliography, cites, and endnotes (66 pages for the latter) were the added spice to the book, adding detail and pointing out areas for further research. The maps were okay, the main issue was the lack of a clear map laying the location of the three lines detailed in the armistice. I have to refer to my copy of L’occupazione italiana dei territori metropolitan francesi (1940-1943) to clearly see these demarcations.

    This is a niche area and this is the only book I am aware of in English that addresses this niche. If you have a strong desire to learn about this area of WW2 history, then I recommend this book. If you have a casual interest, then finding a library with the book is a better bet. If your focus is mainly military or you are a general WW2 reader, then I would recommend you should pass.

    If you are a dedicated historian/researcher of the Italian involvement in the 2GM, then you should read this book.

    Pista! Jeff

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    28 Jul 2015 - 07:44
    Hi, Jeff - I've posted some thoughts on the Forum Administration thread about eventual future action (firstly, to "get together" and discuss it) to develop this website. Being a Moderator, would you care to look at my posting and eventually comment? I hate to see how this website is deteriorating. I'm also somewhat disappointed on the lack of reaction from Frederick, the owner o...
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    13 Jul 2015 - 08:22
    Hi, Jeff - I have just posted on the Forum Administration thread.
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    06 Dec 2011 - 23:23
    Email sent. Can you link me to the thread you are speaking of?
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    Jim H 

    17 Jan 2011 - 22:21
    This is just your personal wall that people can write you messages and you can answer. Members of the forum can read and write here. There is a PM feature on the left side "Send me a message" I'll call you in about 1 1/2 hours.
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    Jeff Leser 

    13 Jan 2011 - 20:17
    Okay, I am new at this. Does this replace the PM or is this something new?
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    Jim H 

    13 Jan 2011 - 01:32
    Jeff. Just sending you a personal comment on your profile section. Just another feature.
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