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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:27 PM

I am trying to find copies of the following books:
La lotta antisommergibile, by Vitaliano Rauber

La Guerra Di Mine by P.F. LUPINACCI
If any body knows where I can purchase either please let me know.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:53 AM

View PostLintonbiographer, on 14 March 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

I am trying to find copies of the following books:
La lotta antisommergibile, by Vitaliano Rauber
La Guerra Di Mine by P.F. LUPINACCI
If any body knows where I can purchase either please let me know.


Good luck! IIRC they are part of the official "La Marina Italiana nella Seconda Guerra Mondiale" twenty volumes series, published by the Italian Navy General Staff Historical Office about 50 years ago.

I do have some of them (including the mine warfare book), but they are very hard to find and - when found - are usually quite expensive. I think the best way is that you should contact as many italian antiquary bookshops as you can with a specific request.

Search "Libereria Antiquaria" or "Librerie Antiquarie" on Google, and check also the list of the Italian Antiquary Librarians Associations at http://www.alai.it/associati
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:32 AM

Grazie signore
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 12:41 PM

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Grazie signore


My pleasure, Sir. :)
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:29 PM

Lintonbiographer

There are several copies of La Guerra Di Mine available from $40-90 on Bookfinder (link below).

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I didn't find any copies of La lotta antisommergibile.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 11:54 AM

Jeff thank you for the link. I found a copy on abebooks from Germany, I now just need to buy an English Italian dictionary.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 02:26 PM

I am still trying to obtain a copy of the book by Rauber but I cannot find one,would anybody know of any book dealers who may have a copy for sale?
I have emailed the Ufficio Storico Marina Militare and asked them but I have not received a reply.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:58 PM

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I have emailed the Ufficio Storico Marina Militare and asked them but I have not received a reply.


The whole series is out of print since decades. They doesn't have any copy left.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:22 PM

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La Guerra Di Mine by P.F. LUPINACCI


Just a note. The book you quited is just about minelaying operations. If you need info also about the minesweeping activities, you should get volume XIX "Il Dragaggio" by admiral Massimino Franti too.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:52 PM

It is listed in google books but probably only as list http://books.google....bCQ&redir_esc=y
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:20 PM

View Postarturolorioli, on 13 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Just a note. The book you quited is just about minelaying operations. If you need info also about the minesweeping activities, you should get volume XIX "Il Dragaggio" by admiral Massimino Franti too.

Would you happen to know whether the minesweeping book covers the period after the fall of Italy in 1943 and also whether it covers the removal of minefields in Italian waters?
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:57 PM

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Would you happen to know whether the minesweeping book covers the period after the fall of Italy in 1943 and also whether it covers the removal of minefields in Italian waters?


Up to September 1943 only.

Here is the book index :

1)- Minesweeping apparatus and systems in use in the Italian Navy
2)- Preparation for wartime minesweeping
3)- Beginning of magnetic minesweeping
4)- Developements in magnetic minesweeping
5)- Distinctive features and problems of minesweeping
6)- Upper Tyrrhenian sector
7)- Lower Tyrrhenian and Sardinia sector
8)- Ionian and Lower Adriatic sector
9)- Upper Adriatic sector
10)- Dalmatia, Greece and Aegean sector
11)- Sicily sector - From June 10th 1940 to December 31st 1941
12)- Sicily sector - From January 1st 1942 to September 8th 1943
13)- North Africa sector - From June 10th 1940 to December 31st 1941
14)- North Africa sector - From January 1st 1942 to September 8th 1943 (Typo: Actually May 5th 1943)
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:51 AM

View Postarturolorioli, on 14 April 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Up to September 1943 only.

Here is the book index :

1)- Minesweeping apparatus and systems in use in the Italian Navy
2)- Preparation for wartime minesweeping
3)- Beginning of magnetic minesweeping
4)- Developements in magnetic minesweeping
5)- Distinctive features and problems of minesweeping
6)- Upper Tyrrhenian sector
7)- Lower Tyrrhenian and Sardinia sector
8)- Ionian and Lower Adriatic sector
9)- Upper Adriatic sector
10)- Dalmatia, Greece and Aegean sector
11)- Sicily sector - From June 10th 1940 to December 31st 1941
12)- Sicily sector - From January 1st 1942 to September 8th 1943
13)- North Africa sector - From June 10th 1940 to December 31st 1941
14)- North Africa sector - From January 1st 1942 to September 8th 1943 (Typo: Actually May 5th 1943)

That would appear to me to be negative . As you know my interest is my research as to the fates of a number of British submarines lost around Sardinia. I am led to believe that following the exit of Italy from the war in 1943 that Italian forces were used to remove the minefields protecting the area, but I would imagine that this did not occur until the threat from any possible German counter attack was neutralised. La Madellana was used by the allies but I would imagine these forces would have been shown the swept channels in the interim. The problem for me is that the La Guerra Di Mine book only shows the fields laid by the Italians and not any German fields and it is these that I believe caused the losses. All of the fields must have been swept post war but trying to find these records is very difficult as nobody seems to know where the German records are.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:51 AM

View PostLintonbiographer, on 16 April 2012 - 01:51 AM, said:

... La Guerra Di Mine book only shows the fields laid by the Italians and not any German fields ...


As it is part of the official history of the Italian Navy activities in WW2, I suppose that's what could be expected.

For geman archival material about this matter , I guess that the military section of the Bundesarchiv could have them. Try at :

Bundesarchiv
Wiesentalstraße 10
D-79115 Freiburg
Phone: 0761/47817-0
Fax: 0761/47817-900
E-Mail: militaerarchiv@bundesarchiv.de

They are usually very helpfull with researchers.

I *guess* that copies of the same material should be available at the US National Archives, and maybe at the British ones too (the US for sure microfilmed the whole Italian WW2 archives after the war, and IIRC they did the same with the german ones).
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:37 PM

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Thank you for the link I will email them to see what they have.
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