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Italians Battalions 10/6/40

#1 User is offline   Franco 

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Posted 28 December 2003 - 04:59 PM

Are you agree with my informations on italians battalions at 10/6/40?

Rifle btl: 3 rifle coy: each on 3 plat: each on 2 squad of 18 + 1 coy weapon (2 plat: each on 3 squads: each on 14 men and 1 45mm mortar and 2 plat mgs each on 2 squads (18 men and 2 mmg)
36 lmg, 8 mmg, 18 45mm mortars

CCNN btl (for infantry divisions): 2 coy of 3 plat of 2 squad of 18 men and 1 45mm mortars plat (with 3 squads, same of rifle) (in HQ coy)
24 lmg, 9 45mm mortars

Mortars btl: 3 coy of 3 plat of 2 squad (10 men and 1 mortar)
18 81mm mortars
for Autotrasportabile divisions 27 81mm mortars (plat of 3 squads)

Alpini btl: 3 coy each: 3 plat on 3 squad each on 13 men and 1 plat on 3 squad each on 11 men with 1 mmg and 1 45mm mortars squad + 1 81mm plat (in HQ coy)
27 lmg, 9 mg, 9 45mm mortars, 4 81mm mortars

Mg btl: 4 coy of 3 plat of 2 squad each on 18 men with 2 mmg
48 mg

Bersaglieri autoportati btl: 2 coy: each on 3 plat of 3 squad and 1 mg plat of 4 squad
18 lmg, 8 mg

Bersaglieri motociclisti btl: 3 coy: each on 3 plat of 4 squad of 7 men and 1 mg plat of 4 squad
36 lmg, 12 mg

Bersaglieri ciclisti btl: 3 coy *3*3 each on 15 men + 1 mg coy *3*3
27 lmg, 9 mg

Infantry autoportata btl: 2 coy *3*2 and 1 45mm mortars plat (3 squads same of rifle) (in HQ coy)
24 lmg, 9 45mm mortars

Cavalry Gruppo squadroni (mounted): 2 sqdr *3*3 of 12 men
18 lmg

CCNN btl (for CCNN divisions): 3 coy*3*3 and 1 45mm mortars squad (in coy HQ) + 1 mg coy *3*2
27 lmg, 12 mg, 9 45mm mortars

Libyan btl: 3 coy*3*2 + 1 mg coy *3*3
36 lmg, 9 mg

Nazionale in AOI btl: 3 coy*3*3 and 1 45 mm mortars squad (in coy HQ)
+ 1 mg coy*3*3
27 lmg, 9 mg. 9 45mm mortars

Coloniale in AOI btl: 3 coy*2 half coy*3plat + 1 mg coy*3*3
18 lmg, 9 mg

Tanks L3 btl: 3 coy*3plat
46 L3

Tanks M11 btl: 3 coy*3plat
46 M11

Cavalry Gruppo Squadroni L3: 4 sqdr*3plat
61 L3
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Posted 16 June 2005 - 09:35 PM

nobody have others or best informations?
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Posted 17 June 2005 - 02:05 PM

You can find additional information at
http://213.45.7.55/regioesercito/regioe ... strutt.htm ( it's a report about 1940 Italian law about the structure of Italian Army), and at
http://digilander.libero.it/lacorsainfi ... ercito.htm ( italian army just before the beginning of IIWW)
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Posted 17 June 2005 - 02:52 PM

My orbat for 10/6/40
sorry is in italian and with many ab

not CCNN, territorial units, GAF only sector name (eventually the not GAF unit attached)
repart name - location if know

GAO Pocopaglia di Bra

1a armata Mondovi
XV corpo San Romolo
5a div Cosseria Ventimiglia (89°, 90° ftr 37° art 23a artieri V mortai 5a telegraf, c/c)
37a div mont Modena Briga (41°,42° ftr 29° art 19a artieri XXXVII mortai 37a telegraf, c/c)
44a div Cremona San Remo (21°,22° ftr 7° art 77a artieri XLIV mortai 44a telegraf, c/c)
15° cdo GAF (I, V settore di copertura Bassa e Media Roja)
XV mitraglieri CdA 15° raggruppamento artiglieria CdA(6grp) 15° raggruppamento genio CdA
III corpo Limone Piemonte
3° div mont Ravenna Tenda (37°, 38° ftr 11° art 18a artieri III mortai 3a telegraf, c/c)
I rgrp alpini Valdieri (6° gruppo valle (Ellero, Aroscia, Tanaro, d’Adige, Venosta) 2 gruppi art alp valle (Tanaro, Piave))
6a div Cuneo Borgo San Dalmazzo (7°, 8° ftr 27° art 24a artieri VI mortai 6a telegraf, c/c)
3° cdo GAF (II settore di copertura Alta Roja-Gessi)
III mitraglieri Cda 3° raggruppamento artiglieria Cda(5grp) 3° raggruppamento genio CdA
II corpo Caraglio
4a div mont Livorno Vinadio (33°,34° ftr 28° art 20a artieri IV mortai 4a telegraf, c/c)
33a div mont Acqui Argentera (17°, 18° ftr 33° art 31a artieri XXXIII mortai 33a telegrafis, c/c)
36° div mont Forli Acceglio (43°,44° ftr 36° art 66a artieri XXXVI mortai 36a telegraf, c/c)
II rgrp alpini Pontechianate (5° gruppo valle (Chiese, Camonica, Tellina, d’Intelvi) 2 gruppi art alp valle (Po, Camonica))
4a div alp Cuneense Dronero (1° (Pieve di Teco, Mondovi) 2° (Borgo San Dalmazzo, Dronero Saluzzo) alp 4° art alp (Pinerolo, Mondovi) IV genio alp)
2° cdo GAF (III, IV settore di copertura Stura (alp valle Stura, Maira), Varaita Po)
VI mitraglieri CdA CII mitraglieri mot CdA 2° rgrp artiglieria CdA(5grp) 2° rgrp genio Cda XCV grp art (con funzioni rgrp) (4 grp)
Riserva d’armata
22a div Cacciatori delle Alpi Pieve di Teco (51°,52° ftr 1° art 56a artieri XXII mortai 22a telegraf, c/c)
5a div alpina Pusteria Ormea (7° alp (Feltre, Belluno, Pieve di Cadore) 11° alp (Bassano, Trento Bolzano) 5° art alp (Lanzo, Belluno) V genio alp)
7a div Lupi di Toscana Ceva (77°,78° ftr 30° art 30a artieri VII mortai 7a telegraf, c/c)
16a div Pistoia Saluzzo (35°,36° ftr 3° art 44a artieri XVI mortai 16a telegraf, c/c)
Raggrupamento Celere Fossano (3° carristi (V, XI leg) Cavalleggeri di Monferrato 1° bers (I,VII,IX cicl 1a bers moto))
2°,4°,7°,8°,10°? rgrp artiglieria dA(totale 18 grp escluso il 4°) 4° art CA 1° rgrp genio d’A

4a armata Rivoli
IV corpo Pragelato
3° alp Torre Pellice (Pinerolo, Fenestrelle, Val Pellice, Val Chisone, 2 batterie Susa, 2 batterie Val Chisone)
26a div mont Assietta Cesana (29°,30° ftr 25° art 64a artieri XXVI mortai 26a telegraf,c/c)
2a div mont Sforzesca Sestriere (53°,54° ftr 17° art 16a artieri II mortai 2a telegraf,c/c, 11a telegrafisti)
4° cdo GAF (VI, VII settore di copertura Germanasca-Pellice,Monginevro)
IV mitraglieri Cda 4° rgrp artiglieria CdA(5grp) 4° rgrp genio CdA
I corpo Meana di Susa
1a div mont Superga Bardonecchia (91°,92° ftr 5° art 14a artieri I mortai 1a telegraf,c/c)
59a div mont Cagliari Susa (63°,64° ftr 59° art 15a artieri LIX mortai 59a telegraf,c/c)
24a div Pinerolo Chiomonte (13°,14° ftr 18° art 61a artieri XXIV mortai 24a telegraf,c/c?)
1° cdo GAF (VIII (3° gruppo valle (*Esile, Dora,Fassa 1 batteria Susa, Valchisone, Val d’Adige) IX settore di copertura (alp Susa, Val Cenischia 1 batteria Susa, Valchisone, Valle Isonzo) Bardonecchia,Moncenisio
I mitraglieri CdA CI mitraglieri moto CdA 1° rgrp artiglieria CdA(6grp) 1° rgrp genio CdA
Alpino Ivrea
Raggruppamento alp Levanna Lanzo (alp Intra, Val Brenta, Val Cismon, art alp Val d’Orco (2 btr) 1 batteria Val d’Adige)
1a div alp Taurinense Valgrisanche (4° alp (Aosta, Val Baltea, Val d’Orco) 4° gruppo alp Valle (*Ivrea, Val Piave, Val Cordevole) 1° art alp (Aosta, Val d’Adige) I genio alp
2a div alp Tridentina Saint Pierre (5° alp (Edolo, Tirano, Morbegno) 6° alp (Vestone, Verona) 2° art alp (Bergamo, Vicenza) II genio alp)
25° cdo GAF (X settore di copertura (alp Duca degli Abruzzi rep alp Monte Bianco rep alp arditi) Baltea-Orco-Sture
CIII mitraglieri moto CdA
Riserva d’armata
58a div Legnano Fenestrelle (67°,68° ftr 58° art 25a artieri LVIII mortai 58a telegraf,c/c)
11a div Brennero Bussoleno (231°,232° ftr 9° art 32a artieri XI mortai 11a telegraf,c/c)
Raggruppamento Celere Rivalta (1° carristi (I,II,III,IV leg) Nizza Cavalleria 4° bers (VI, XXIX, XXXI bers cicl 4a cmp bers moto)
1°,6°,9° rgrp artiglieria dA (totale 19 gruppi) 1° art CA(4grp) 4° rgrp genio dA

7a armata Asti
VII corpo San Damiano d’Asti
20a div Friuli Alba (87°,88° ftr 35° art 52a artieri XX mortai 20a telegraf 120a c/c?)
41a div Firenze Poirino (127°,128° ftr 41° art ?a artieri XLI mortai 41a telegraf,c/c)
VII mitraglieri CdA 7° rgrp artiglieria CdA 7° rgrp genio CdA
VIII corpo Acqui Terme
51a div Siena Canelli (31°,32° ftr 51° art ?a artieri LI mortai 51a telegraf,c/c)
21° div Granatieri di Sardegna Civitavecchia (1°,2° gr 13° art ?a artieri XXI mortai 21a telegraf,c/c)
VIII mitraglieri CdA 8° rgrp artiglieria CdA 8° rgrp genio CdA
7° rgrp genio dA


corpo d’osservazione Svizzera Como
XVII settore di copertura Brennero
Sottosettore di copertura autonomo (alp Val Toce)


GAE Cervignano

2a armata Gorizia
XI corpo Cividale del Friuli
Raggruppamento alp Alto Isonzo Tolmino (1° gruppo alp Valle (Fella,Tagliamento,Natisone) 2° gruppo alp Valle (Leogra,Pescara,Tagliamento) gruppi art alp valle Tagliamento,Isonzo
13a div montagna Re Idria (1°,2° ftr 23° art 38a artieri XIII mortai 13a telegraf,c/c)
14a div montagna Isonzo Postumia (23° 24° ftr 6° art 40a artieri XIV mortai 14a telegraf,c/c)
11° cdo GAF (XXI,XXII,XXIII settore di copertura Isonzo,Idria,Postumia)
XI mitraglieri CdA CXI mitraglieri moto CdA 11° rgrp artiglieria CdA 11° rgrp genio CdA
V corpo Castelnuovo
12a div Sassari San Pietro del Carso (151°,152° ftr 34° art 34a artieri XII mortai 12a telegraf,c/c)
57a Lombardia Elsane (73°,74° ftr 57° art 37a artieri LVII mortai 57a telegraf,c/c)
15a Bergamo Abbazia di Fiume (25°,26° ftr 4° art 36a artieri XV mortai 15a telegraf,c/c)
5° cdo GAF (XXV,XXVI settore di copertura Timavo,Carnaro Piazza Militare di Fiume (XXVII settore di copertura Fiume)
V mitraglieri CdA CV mitraglieri moto CdA 5° rgrp artiglieria CdA 5° rgrp genio CdA
Comando truppe Zara (NordEst,Est,SudEst settori di copertura Zara bers Zara cmp mecc XXX misto genio)
3° rgrp artiglieria dA 2° rgrp genio dA 2° art CA Piemonte Reale Cavalleria,Genova Cavalleria, Cavalleggeri Guide 2° bers (II,IV,XVII cicl 2a bers moto)

6a armata del Po Verona
corpo celere Spilimbergo
1a div celere Eugenio di Savoia Ampezzo (Cavalleggeri di Saluzzo, Cavaleggeri di Alessandria I carri San Giusto 11° bers (XXVII,XXXIII,XXXVII bers cicl 11a bers moto) 171a c/c 101a mista genio 1° art celere)
2a div celere Emanuele Filiberto Tolmezzo ( Lancieri di Firenze, Lancieri Vittorio Emanuele II II carri San Marco 6° bers (VI,XIII,XIX bers cicl 6a bers moto) 172a c/c 102a mista genio 2° art celere)
3a div celere Amadeo d’Aosta Codroipo (Savoia Cavalleria,Lancieri di Novara III carri San Giorgio 3° bers (XVIII,XX,XXV bers cicl 3a bers moto) 173a c/c 103a mista genio 3° art celere)
16° rgrp artiglieria CdA XVI misto genio CdA
corpo autotrasportabile Vicenza
10a div auto Piave Bassano (57°,58° ftr 20° art moto ?a artieri X mortai 10a telegraf,c/c)
52a div auto Torino Cavarzere (81°,82° ftr 52° art moto 57a artieri LII mortai 52a telegraf,c/c)
9a div auto Pasubio Rovereto (79° 80° ftr 8° art moto ?a artieri IX mortai 9a telegraf,c/c)
30° rgrp artiglieria CdA 30° rgrp genio CdA
corpo corazzato Cremona
132a div cor Ariete Verona (32° carrista (I,II medi I,II,III leg) 8° bers (V,XII bers auto III bers moto ?a c/c) 132° art cor 132a mista genio (132a c/c)?
133a div cor Littorio Perugia (33° carrista (I,II,III,IV leg) 12° bers (XXI,XXIII bers auto XXVI bers moto ?a c/c) 133° art cor 133a mista genio (133a c/c)?
102a div mot Trento Predazzo (61°,62° ftr moto 7° bers (VIII,X bers auto XI bers moto ?a c/c)
46° art moto DLI mitraglieri moto LI misto genio 102a c/c)
101a div mot Trieste Ponte d’Olio (65°,66° ftr moto 9° bers (XXVIII,XXX bers auto XXXII bers moto ?a c/c) 21° art moto DVIII mitraglieri moto LII misto genio 101a c/c)
24° rgrp artiglieria CdA XXIV misto genio CdA
9° rgrp genio dA 5° art CA

8a armata Milano
XIV corpo Valdobbiadene
32a div mont Marche Feltre (55°,56° ftr 32° art ?a artieri XXXII mortai 32a telegraf,c/c)
38a div mont Puglie Vittorio Veneto (71°,72° ftr 15° art ?a artieri XXXVIII mortai 38a telegraf,c/c)
XIV mitraglieri CdA 14° rgrp artiglieria CdA 14° rgrp genio CdA
VI corpo Faenza
49a div mont Parma Marzabotto (49°,50° ftr 49° art ?a artieri IL mortai 49a telegraf,c/c)
56a div Casale Predappio (11°,12° ftr 56° art 47a artieri LVI mortai 56a telegraf,c/c)
18a div Messina Urbino (93°,94° ftr 2° art ?a artieri XVIII mortai 18a telegraf,c/c)
6° rgrp artiglieria CdA 6° rgrp genio CdA
8° rgrp genio dA


GAS Roma

CMSicilia XII corpo Palermo
28a div Aosta Palermo (5°,6° ftr 22° art 22a artieri XXVIII mortai 28a telegraf,c/c)
54a div Napoli Ragusa (75°,76° ftr 54° art ?a artieri LIV mortai 54a telegraf,c/c)
XII mitraglieri CdA 12° rgrp artiglieria CdA 12° rgrp genio CdA 10° bers (XVI,XXXIV, XXXV bers cicl 10a bers moto)

CMSardegna XIII corpo Cagliari
30a div Sabauda Cagliari (45°,46° ftr 16° art ?a artieri XXX mortai 30a telegraf,c/c)
31a div Calabria Sassari (59°,60° ftr 40° art ?a artieri XXXI mortai 31a telegraf,c/c)
XIII mitraglieri CdA 13° rgrp artiglieria CdA 13° rgrp genio CdA Cavaleggeri di Sardegna (g.s.)

CSTAlbania XXVI corpo Tirana
53a div Arezzo Scutari (225°,226° ftr 53° art 94a artieri LIII mortai 53a telegraf,c/c)
3a div alp Julia Kukes (8° alp (Tolmezzo,Gemona,Cividale) 9° alp (Vicenza,L’Aquila) 3° art alp (Conegliano,Udine) III genio alp
19a div mont Venezia Elbasan (83°,84° ftr 19° art 76a artieri XIX mortai 19a telegraf,c/c)
23a div Ferrara Argirocastro (47°,47° ftr 14° art 14a artieri XXIII mortai 23a telegraf,c/c)
131a div cor Centauro Tirana (5° bers (XIV,XXIV bers auto XXII bers moto ?a c/c) 31° carrista (I,II,III leg) 131° art cor 131a mista genio (131a c/c)?
Raggruppamento Celere Litorale Delvino (3° gr Lancieri di Aosta,Lancieri di Milano)
26° cdo GAF (Nord,Est,Sud settori di copertura)
XXVI mitraglieri moto CdA 26° rgrp artiglieria CdA 26° rgrp genio CdA

3a armata Roma
IX corpo Potenza
48a div Taro Salerno (207°,208° ftr 48° art ?a artieri XLVIII mortai 48a telegraf,c/c)
47a div Bari Brindisi (139°,140° ftr 47° art ?a artieri XLVII mortai 47a telegraf,c/c)
29a div Piemonte Messina (3°,4° ftr 24° art 7a artieri XXIX mortai 29a telegraf,c/c)
IX mitraglieri CdA 9° rgrp artiglieria CdA 9° rgrp genio CdA
3° rgrp genio dA 3° art CA 4° carrista (VIII,X,XIII leg)

Comando Truppe dell’Elba
GAF (?) T.M. rgrp art cost


Comando FF.AA. Isole italiane dell’Egeo Rodi
50a div mod Regina Campochiaro (9°,10° ftr 50° art ?a artieri L mortai 50a telegraf ?a chimica)
Settore di copertura Dodecaneso CCCXII misto carri LVI art CA 35° rgrp art cost


Comando Superiore FF.AA. Africa settentrionale italiana Tripoli

5a armata Tripoli
X corpo Bir el Ghem
25a div auto Bologna Bir el Gnem (39°,40° ftr 10° art moto XXV misto genio XXV compl XXV mitraglieri 25a c/c)
60a div auto Sabratha Jefren (85°,86° ftr 42° art moto LX misto genio LX compl LX mitraglieri LX leg 60a c/c)
55a div auto Savona Azizia (15°,16° ftr 12° art moto LV misto genio LV compl LV mitraglieri 55a c/c)
10° rgrp artiglieria CdA(3grp) 10° rgrp genio CdA 201a bers moto
XX corpo Zauia
17a div auto Pavia Sabratha (27°,28° ftr 26° art moto XVII misto genio XVII compl XVII mitraglieri 17a c/c)
27a div auto Brescia Zauia (19°,20° ftr 55° art moto XXVII misto genio XXVII compl XXVII mitraglieri 27a c/c)
61a div auto Sirte Giordani (69°,70° ftr 43° art moto LXI misto genio LXI compl LXI mitraglieri LXI leg 61a c/c)
20° rgrp artiglieria CdA (4grp)20° rgrp genio CdA IX leg 202a bers moto
XXIII corpo Tripoli
(in organico alla 1a div CC.NN.)201° art moto 201a c/c 201a acc 201a mortai CI misto genio
(in organico alla 2a div CC.NN.) 202° art moto 202a c/c 202a acc 202a mortai CII misto genio
23a squadriglia blindo
20° Cdo GAF Zuara
XXVIII settore di copertura Zuara (I,II spahis II savari)
XXIX settore di copertura Nalut (IV spahis)
Piazza Militare di Tripoli
XXXIII,XXXIV,XXXV settori di copertura Ovest,Centrale,Castel Benito (30° rgrp art costiera/CA)
Riserva d’armata
2a div lib Corradini (3° (VI,VII,XIV),4° (II,XV,XVI) rgrp ftr lib 2° rgrp art lib (III,IV 2a CA) 2a acc 2a mista genio lib)
5° rgrp artiglieria dA (4 grp) 5° rgrp genio dA

10a armata Tobruch
XXI corpo Gambut
62a div auto Marmarica Bardia (115°,116° ftr 44° art moto LXII misto genio LXII compl LXII mitraglieri LXII leg 62a c/c)
63a div auto Cirene El Adem (157°,158° ftr 45° art moto LXIII misto genio LXIII compl LXIII mitraglieri LXIII leg 63a c/c)
21° rgrp artiglieria CdA(4grp) 21° rgrp genio CdA XX leg 203a bers moto
XXII corpo Acroma
64a div auto Catanzaro Acroma (141°,142° ftr 203° art moto LXIV misto genio LXIV compl LXIV mitraglieri 64a c/c)
(in organico alla 4a div CC.NN.) 204° art moto 204a c/c 204a acc 204a mortai CIV misto genio
22° rgrp artiglieria Cda(3grp) 22° rgrp genio CdA XXI leg
21° cdo GAF Bardia
Piazza militare di Bardia (XXX settore di copertura)
Settore di copertura costiero Amseat
Settore di copertura interno Giarabub
Piazza militare di Tobruch (XXXI,XXXII settore di copertura Ovest,Est XXI lib XXXI misto genio)
Riserva d’armata
1a div lib Sidi Aziz (1° (III,IV,XIX) 2° ( VIII,XVII,XVIII) rgrp lib 1° rgrp art lib (I,II 1a CA) 1a acc 1a mista genio lib)
gruppo battaglioni para (I para nazionale I para libico)

Scacchiere Sahariano Cufra
Comando Fronte Sud Gialo
Rgrp sahariano Oasi Meridionali (I,V libico ?a acc ?a CA ?a mitraglieri pos)
Comando Truppe Sahara Libico Cufra
Settori di copertura Gadames, Serdeles, Cufra
1a,2a,3a,4a, meharisti I sahariano motorizzato (Cufra,Gialo,Hon,Sebha,Garian)
(11 cmp mitraglieri pos, numerazione non nota)
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Posted 17 June 2005 - 03:09 PM

Legenda:
Divisione Rgt. fanteria Rgt art. Legione CC.NN.
1a "Superga" 91° e 92° Basilicata 5°
2a "Sforzesca" 53° e 54° Umbria 17°
3a "Ravenna" 37° e 38° Ravenna 11° (poi 121°)
4a "Livorno" 33° e 34° Livorno 28°
5a "Cosseria" 89° e 90° Salerno 37° (poi 108°)
6a "Cuneo" 7° e 8° Cuneo 27° 24a
7a "Lupi di Toscana" 77° e 78° Lupi di Tosc. 30°
9a "Pasubio" 79° e 80° Roma 8° 1a
10a "Piave" 57° e 58° Abruzzi 20°
11a "Brennero" 231° e 232° Avellino, 331°Brennero - 9° - 45a
12a "Sassari" 151° e 152° Sassari 34° 73a
13a "Re" 1° e 2° Re 23° 75a
14a "Isonzo" 23° e 24° Como 6° 98a
15a "Bergamo" 25° e 26° Bergamo 4° 89a
16a "Pistoia" 35°, 35° e 335° Pistoia 3°
17a "Pavia" 27° e 28° Pavia 26°
18a "Messina" 93° e 94° Messina 2° 108a
19a "Venezia" 83°, 84° e 383° Venezia 19° 72a
20a "Friuli" 87° e 88° Friuli 35° 88a
21a "Granatieri di Sardegna" 1°, 2° e 3° Granatieri 13° 55a
22a "Cacciatori delle Alpi" 51° e 52° Alpi 1° 105a
23a "Ferrara" 47° e 48° Ferrara 14° 82a
24a "Pinerolo" 13°, 14° e 313° (II) Pinerolo 18° 136a
25a "Bologna" 39° e 40° Bologna 10°
26a "Assietta" 29° e 30° Pisa 25° 17a
27a "Brescia" 19° e 20° Brescia 55°
28a "Aosta" 5° e 6° Aosta 22° 171a
29a "Piemonte" 3°, 4° e 303° Piemonte 24°
30a "Sabauda" 45° e 46° Reggio 16° 176a
31a "Calabria" 59° e 60° Calabria 40° 177a
32a "Marche" 55° e 56° Marche 32° 49a
33a "Acqui" 17°, 18° e 317° Acqui 33° 27a
36a "Forli" 43° e 44° Forliì 36°
37a "Modena" 41°, 42° e 341° Modena 29° 36a
38a "Puglie" 71° e 72° Puglie 15° 115a
41a "Firenze" 127° e 128° Firenze 41° 92a
44a "Cremona" 21° e 22° Cremona 7° 90a
47a "Bari" 139° e 140° Bari 47° 152a
48a "Taro" 207° e 208° Taro 48° 164a
49a "Parma" 49° e 50° Parma 49° 109a
50a "Regina" 9°, 10° e 309° Regina 50° 201a
51a "Siena" 31° e 32° Siena 51° 141a
52a "Torino" 81° e 82° Torino 52°
53a "Arezzo" 225°, 226° e 343° Arezzo 53° 80a
54a "Napoli" 75° e 76° Napoli 54° 173a
55a "Savona" 15° e 16° Savona 12°
56a "Casale" 11°, 12° e 311° Casale 56° 23a
57a "Lombardia" 73° e 74° Lombardia 57° 137a
58a "Legnano" 67° e 68° Palermo 58°
59a "Cagliari" 63°, 64° e 363° Cagliari 59° 28a
60a "Sabratha" 85° e 86° Verona 42°
61a "Sirte" 69° e 70° Ancona 43°
62a "Marmarica" 115° e 116° Treviso 44°
63a "Cirene" 157° e 158° Liguria 45°
64a "Catanzaro" 141° e 142° Catanzaro 203°
65a "Granatieri di Savoia" 10° e 11° Granatieri 60°
80a "La Spezia" 125° e 126° La Spezia 80°
101a "Trieste" 65° e 66° Valtellina 21°
102a "Trento" 61°, 62° Sicilia e 7° bers. 46°
103a "Piacenza" 111° e 112° Piacenza 37°
104a "Mantova" 113° e 114° Mantova 11°
105a "Rovigo" 227° e 228° Rovigo 117°
151a "Perugia" 129° e 130° Perugia 151° 29a
152a "Piceno" 235°, 236° e 336° Piceno 152°
153a "Macerata" 121° e 122° Macerata 153°
154a "Murge" 259° e 260° 154°
155a "Emilia" 119° e 120° Emilia 155°
156a "Vicenza" 277° e 278° Vicenza 156°
157a "Novara" 153° e 154° Novara 157°
158a "Zara" 291° e 292° Zara 158° 107a
159a "Veneto" 255° e 256° Veneto 159°
"Cacciatori d’Africa" 210° Bisagno e 211° Pescara grp. art. 10a



Divisioni Alpine



Divisione Rgt. fanteria Rgt art.
1a "Taurinense" 3° e 4° 1°
2a "Tridentina" 5° e 6° 2°
3a "Julia" 8° e 9° 3°
4a "Cuneense" 1° e 2° 4°
5a "Pusteria" 7° e 11° 5°
6a "Alpi Graje" III e IV Gr. alpino Valle 6°



Divisioni Celeri



Divisione Rgt. fanteria Rgt art.
1a "Eugenio di Savoia" 11° bers., 12° Cav. Saluzzo, 14° Cav. d'Alessandria, I Gr. C. S. Giusto 1°
2a "Emanuele Filiberto Testa di Ferro" 6° bers., 9° Lanc. Firenze, 10° Lanc. V. E. II, II Gr. C. S. Marco 2°
3a "Principe Amedeo Duca d'Aosta" 3° bers., 3° Savoia cav., 5° Lanc. Novara, III Gr. C. S. Giorgio 3°



Divisioni Corazzate



Divisione Rgt. fanteria Rgt. art. cor.
131a "Centauro" 31° carristi, 5° bers. 131°
132a "Ariete" 32° carristi, 8° bers. 132°
133a "Littorio" 33° carristi, 12° bers. 133°
135 "Ariete" II 10° Lanc. V. E. II, 18° Lanc. Montebello, 16° Cav. Lucca 135° e 235°
136a "Giovani Fascisti" GG.FF., 8° bers, 1° carristi 136°
136 "Centauro" II Rgt leg. cor1.,18° cor. esplor. 136°
Div. Cor. Legionaria "M"

1) si tratta del I Grp. btg. Tagliamento, II Grp. btg. montebello e Grp. carri Leonessa



Divisioni CC.NN.



Divisione Legione CC.NN. Rgt. art.
1a "XXIII Marzo" 219a e 233a 201°
2a "XXVIII Ottobre" 231a e 238a 202°
3a "XXI Aprile" 181a e 203a 203°
4a "III Gennaio" 27a e 250a 204°



Divisioni Paracadutisti



Divisione Rgt. paracadutisti Rgt. art. paracad.
184a "Nembo" 183°, 184° e 185° 184°
185a "Folgore" 186° e 187° 185°




Divisioni Coloniali



Divisione Rgt. fant. libica Rgt. art. libica
1a "Libica" 1° e 2° libico 1°
2a "Libica" 3° e 4° libico 2°
3a "Libica" (Gruppo Maletti) 5° e 6° libico 3°
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 07:22 PM

For the structure of tanks battalions, I can't find the initial figure given of 46 tanks. What is your sources ? And what is the exact structure of the battalion to have this amount ?

For my part, I found that the L3 battalion are structured in 1940 following this scheme :

one battalion had three companies of three platoons.

Each platoon had 4 L3 ;

each company had 13 L3 (12 in platoon and one for the company's comander) ;

each battalion had 40 tankettes (39 L3 for the three companies and one for the battalion's comander.

For the Medium battalion in 1940, I found a final figure of 49 tanks (5 tanks for each platoon, 16 tanks for the company and one for the battalion's comander).

Am I wrong ?

These figures are extracted from a little book of Ralph RICCIO "Italian Tanks and fighting vehicles of World War 2", from Pique Publication.

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Posted 27 June 2005 - 08:20 PM

for L tanks the structure is same but there was also 2 reserve tank for coy
my source was (not directly) circolare 10500 "impiego ed addestramento carri d'assalto" roma 15 agosto 1936
unlike the december 1st 1938 this was replaced with "impiego delle unità carriste" but i have not information on this.
for M11 tanks (the only medium in service in 1940) the structure was same but not reserve tanks and commander tanks were L3
for 36 M11 and 4 L3 in btlns
for others M tanks (at theirs time)
Plats of 5 tanks
coy of 3 plats and 1 commander tank all 16 tanks
btlns on 3 coy and 4 HQ tanks all 52 tanks
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Posted 01 July 2005 - 08:41 AM

Remeber that M11 tank batalions and first M13 batalions had only two companies instead of three, so 16x2+4=36 tanks.

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 09:31 AM

Michele I don't agree, AFAIK the structure of M11 btln was that in my previous topic
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Posted 03 July 2005 - 09:46 AM

Hello everybody,

I would be very interested on finding a solution to such debate.

I guess that we could find the truth between your two versions, maybe by giving quotes and sources.

Perhaps, the study of the evolution of teh structure of Maletti group could help us (I have no datas with me, because out of my home...) : I remembered that at the beginning, It had only one company of the II M11 battalion (I am not sure) ? How many tanks M11 were on one company ?

I must find a solution to complete my works on the italians armoured units at the outbreak of the war, then your help is welcome.

Bests regards and have a good sunday,

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 12:51 PM

12 M11
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Posted 05 July 2005 - 07:06 PM

Hi to all.

I checked "Gli autoveicoli del regio esercito" by Pignato and Cappellano.
In this moment I have only second volume in my hands (vol. 1 was borrowed to a friend). So in this moment I have data only for batalions with M13 tanks. Some excerpts from my notes from that book:

III/32 : two companies. It lands in Africa during October 1940 with 37 M13 tanks.
On 11.12.1940 two companies are sent to Sollum and later Sidi Azeiz while the other one is sent to Bardia where it will be lost. [Observation]
On 6.2.1941 it has only 12 tanks remaining and is in the rearguards.

IV/32: [...]

V: it has two companies as III and IV batalion [...]. It joins Babini's brigade in the second half of January [...]. On 6.2.1941 it has 24 tanks remaining.

VI: it lands at Bengasi on 22.1.1941 with 36 tanks. [...]

[...]


For L tanks, a report of 8.7.1940 (from the same book) indicates that XXII, LXII, LXIII, LXI light tank batalions have 46 tanks each, while XX batalion has 50 tanks and IX batalion 46 tanks, 17 of which lost in combat, so actual strenght 29.

so: 13x3+1 = 40 tanks + 2x3=6 reserve tanks = 46 tanks. (and all is OK).

Same report indicates the strenght of 4th Tank Regiment (I/4 + II/4) as 70 M tanks (these M11 had yet to land, however).


Hope somebody could complete/correct these data.

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Posted 15 July 2005 - 07:16 PM

Not to be pedant, but I have found the precise point in the text by Pignato and Cappellano:
at page 250 (vol.2) there is the list of all M tanks batalion, essentially with the information I posted. Moreover it says (translation is mine, so it could be approximative):

Initially, M13 tank batalion was ordered on two companies with a total of 37 M13-40 tanks, 3 cars, 5 "dovunque" lorries, 1 light lorry, 1 "Lancia RO" lorry, 1 tractor, 2 "rimorchi" [transaltion=?], 1 officine and 8 motorcycles. It seems that in III batalion only 3 tanks had radios

In conclusion, III, IV, V and XXI (former XXI L-tanks) had two companies (maybe also VI and VII batalions?).

Moreover it continues:

Since August 1941, the new TO&E had the tank regiment with:

- Command and command officiers (10 officiers + 1 "equivalent" officier (the chaplain))
- Command company and reserve tanks (command platton with officine, signal platoon with 6 radio tanks, 1 motorized detachment and 3 reserve tanks platoons)
- 3 M tanks batalions, with 3 companies each. Each company had: commander, 1 commad platoon, 3 M tanks platoons (1st, 2nd, 3rd) with 5 tanks each.
- 1 AA company with 20mm guns (8 guns)
- 1 manteniance unit.

The command alone had: 17 officiers, 38 NCOs, 272 troops, 2 cars, 33 M tanks, 33 "carrelli o rimorchi", 5 light lorries, 1 heavy lorry, 1 medical car/lorry, 18 two-seat motorcycles, 7 "mototricicli" [=motorcycle with sidecar??], 8 "rampe di carico", 1 "rimorchio", 1 lorry with "officina radio campale".

In total, the regiment had: 97 officiers, 237 NCOs, 2069 troops, 1 worker, 189 M tanks, 9 "camioncini" [ a sort of light lorry], 8 light lorries, 26 "dovunque" lorries, 266 heavy lorries, [...etc.]

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Posted 15 July 2005 - 09:09 PM

infatti io non avevo insistito sulla struttura dei battaglion m13 "prima" versione in quanto poteva essere quella che poi tu hai confermato.
Avevo insistito su quella dei battaglioni con gli m11 perchè la fonte, che sfortunatamente non ho annotato, mi sembrava molto competente.

ciao

in few word
i agree for m13 btlns
i don't agree for m11 btlns
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 10:02 PM

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 03:57 PM

Traslation:

in fact I didn't insist on the structure of M13 tank batalion "first version"; it could be that one you have confirmed.
I insisted on the structure of M11 tank batalion because the source, than I have ill-fatedly not annotated, seemed me very competent.
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 05:04 PM

hello,

My trouble grew up...

Could we say like Michele that the M battalions sent in norther africa before Beda Fomm are on a 2 companies scheme ?

that's very important, for example for the tactical markings of vehicle...

thanks for answer,

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 05:41 PM

Hi Marco,
OK, we misunderstood. I'll try to have back my book to check also for M11 batalions, it is possible that you're right as regards them!

Said that, 13emeDBLE, in this moment we can conclude at least that all M13 tank batalions before Beda Fomm had two companies... As regards I and II batalion with M11 only that they had 36 tanks each. I hope to have the possibility to check it before summer holidays, otherwise you'll need to wait a bit more because I'll be abroad till Christmas.

Cheers.
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Posted 18 July 2005 - 09:18 PM

Aaargh !

Michele, I am so sorry that you could not consult the first volume, because it's very important for me.

If we accepted that the M tanks battalions were built under a two companies structure, why did the italians changed it to a three coys one in summer 1941 ?

I have to end my article before publication... (it's a surprise).

Bests regards,

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:54 PM

Franco. 8) Any T.o&E for Marine Battaglione, please. ( like III San Marco )

Also for Carabinieri Battaglione, if you have it please.

Ta!
Cheers; Dave.

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