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Identification/confirmation of units in North Africa.
Posted 20 May 2007 - 10:24 AM
I have a massive list myself, quite apart from what you guys come up with!
Some of them are bound to be typos or repetitions, or new designations for older units, but there are bound to be a lot of the 'genuine article' too.
May I suggest that we just tackle one unit at a time, and not move on to the next one, until the latter has been fully explored. I think it will get less confusing this way.
I look forward to lots of discussion here, for many months (years :!: :wink: :) ) to come!
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Posted 20 May 2007 - 10:29 AM
I have a XXXI (31) (I'm doing that to avoid typos) G.a.F Reggimento.
XXXI (31) Libica Costieri defence Battaglione.
XXXI (31) Raggrupamento (or Reggimento) Costieri.
Are they three seperate units, or just different titles for the same unit. Or even two units?
Posted 22 May 2007 - 07:09 PM
Where do you find the XXXI Lybian coastal battalion?, What is your source?
Leo Niehorster mention a 31 raggruppamento artiglieria controaerei in Tripolitania in october 1942.
In Mario Montanari Vol2 (april 41-jan 42), I found a mention of a raggruppamento controaerei Tripolitania with 3 gruppi 88mm.
Maybe these two units are the same
Posted 22 May 2007 - 07:39 PM
I had the 31st Niehorster unit as a Reggimento, not a Raggrupamento.
If I was wrong, then that is one unit correctly identified.
I'll edit my original post to reflect this.
Montanari has his designations wrong for the 88/56 units. They should read..... 3 x Independente Gruppi (Not Ragg) each of 3 x Batteria (not Gruppi) of 4 x guns. I've identified all three Gruppi, and 4 of the 9 Batteria.
Can't remember original source of Costieri Defence Battaglione. Might it be Libyan?
And what about the G.a.F Reggimento?
Posted 27 May 2007 - 08:40 AM
The problem is (in this case, as in many others) that you, possibly, know more about the topic than anyone else here!
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siete adatti per ricevere e tramandare la trasmissione."
Posted 29 May 2007 - 09:12 AM
I have a listing of a 10th Misto Genio Reggimento, is this for real?
I know about an X (10) Arditi/Artieri Battaglione. So the above might be a typo.
Let me know. :)
Posted 05 June 2007 - 02:52 PM
XXXI G.a.F Reggimento is a typo for Battaglione. It is the Settore 31 unit from Tobruk @ 10/06/40.
XXXI Ragg or Reg (Still not sure which?) is the combined Coastal/ Anti Aircraft unit from Tripoli, in the same timeframe. Though why this is not numbered XXXII, like all the other Settore 32 units is a mystery.
XXXI Libica Costieri Defence Battaglione, was supposedly in Tobruk @ 10th June 1940 & is Infantry not artillery, but is still the big mystery of the three.
Posted 05 June 2007 - 04:30 PM
At june 1940 I got, as units of X corpo d'armata, X raggruppamento genio;
at oct 1942 in X corpo d'armata I got:
X Btg genio artieri
X Btg collegamenti (is indicated as genio units)
Unfortunately, no infos about TO&E or other....
Let me know-...
Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:11 PM
Was the 2/I Libica Battaglione the same unit as the I Libica Battaglione that was part of the 1st Libica Reggimento, which was at Sidi Aziz on June 10th 1940? Or was it a seperate unit altogether?
Posted 18 July 2007 - 09:28 AM
By the way:
X collegamenti at 23 oct. 1942 : El taqua, AFAIK
the two units ( X collegamenti and X artieri) probably arrived in NA in dec. 1940-gen 1941
Dicvisioni fanteria libica were reorganized on march 1, 1940. New composition and new OOBB.
Let me know
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