Bersaglieri Motocyclisti Compagnia

Posted 05 March 2006 by David

I have the following Bersaglieri Motorcyclisti Compagnia listed as Corpo assetts in North Africa. Can anyone tell me to which Corpo each compagnia belonged? When it arrived? & a typical T.o&E; ?
Please.

22nd
23rd
60th
61st
201st
202nd
203rd

Also, have I missed any?

I can locate the 201st & 202nd at Benghasi Christmas 1940, the rest are blanks.

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Posted 06 March 2006 by Voloire

201th and 202th coys was in Div. Ariete (with 8° Rgt. bersaglieri).
201th formed with 72th the "Btg. divisionale CC (at)";
202th operated as "nucleo esplorante divisionale".
2th compagnia moto as unit corp of XX CdA

22th compagnia moto was, on 1940 part of 5° reggimento; in NA passed to 10° ( jan 41 ) (Div. Sirte?)
next news as soon as possible

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Posted 08 March 2006 by David

Voloire:

201 & 202 Co.

Did they join III Battaglione?

Does anyone have any D.o.A; T.o.&E; or details of which Corpo the other Compagnia mentioned in my opening post, were assigned to?

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Posted 16 March 2006 by Voloire
No, tey did not join the III BTg;
22 cp moto was party of "Brigata Corazzata Speciale"

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Posted 16 March 2006 by David

I'm confused.

First you say 201 & 202 Co are with 8th Reg Bersag in Ariete.

Then you say they are in Bigata corazzata speciale.

Please help.

Posted 16 March 2006 by Voloire

Just one minute......I said:
201^ and 202^ was in Divisione Ariete.
201th formed with 72th cp the "Btg. divisionale CC (at)";
202th operated as "nucleo esplorante divisionale".
In Divisione Ariete there was also the 8° Reggimento Bersaglieri, but the 2 coys were autonomous units....

I said that 22^ cp moto was in Brigata corazzata speciale, and not 201^ and 202^...

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Posted 16 March 2006 by David

Now I understand, thank you.

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Posted 24 March 2006by Antonio

In a previous thread I have read that 202º Bersaglieri was during Operation compass part of XX Corps. Would I be wrong if I presume that afterwards was transferred to Ariete Division?

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Posted 05 June 2007 by David

Any info on the other units mentioned:
23rd
60th
61st
203rd
+ any others?

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Posted 05 July 2007 by Lupo Solitario

It's only an hypothesis but all the given company numbers are the same of Corps and Divisions present in NA at the start of war, so they could have been born as divisional and corps assets and had a different story in a second time.

That's certainly true for 60th, 61st, 62nd, 63rd comapny cause the TO&E; for 1940 Autotrasportabile Division (NA) included a Bersaglieri Motorcycle Company and numbers are the same for Sabratha, Sirte, Cirene and Marmarica divisions.

I'd tend to tell the same for Blackshirt Divisions 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th cause the artillery regiments (which were of the Army) had rispectively numbers 201, 202, 203 and 204. I imagine other Army units attached to Blackshirts had the same ID numbers. The only point is that I ignore the exact TO&E; for CCNN divisions.

Late 22 and 23 are the same numbers of the two corps formed in NA in 1939-40 winter.

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Posted 05 July 2007 by David
Lupo.

That makes sense, good sense.

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That's certainly true for 60th, 61st, 62nd, 63rd comapny cause the TO&E; for 1940 Autotrasportabile Division (NA) included a Bersaglieri Motorcycle Company and numbers are the same for Sabratha, Sirte, Cirene and Marmarica divisions.



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I'd tend to tell the same for Blackshirt Divisions 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th cause the artillery regiments (which were of the Army) had rispectively numbers 201, 202, 203 and 204. I imagine other Army units attached to Blackshirts had the same ID numbers.


Would they have been attatched to the Divisional Headquarters?

Posted 05 July 2007 by David

If we assume that Lupo is correct, then we can identify & place 60, 61, 201, 202 & 22.

That leaves the following to identify (ie confirm their presence in N.A) as we can place them according to Lupo.

They are...

62nd.

63rd.

64th?
203rd?

204th.

10th.

16th.

20th.

21st.

25th.


Happy hunting!

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Posted 05 July 2007 by Lupo Solitario

Note: if my hypothesis is correct, the 203rd and the 64th should be the same unit (probably always identified as 203rd)

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Posted 06 July 2007 by David

Thanks Lupo.
I have edited my post to reflect this.

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Posted 08 July 2007 by David
Lupo.

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I'd tend to tell the same for Blackshirt Divisions 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th cause the artillery regiments (which were of the Army) had rispectively numbers 201, 202, 203 and 204. I imagine other Army units attached to Blackshirts had the same ID numbers.



Would they have been attatched to the Divisional Headquarters?

I ask again Where would the Motorcyclisti Compagnia have been located?

Posted 08 July 2007 by Lupo Solitario

unfortunately I have no idea.

If some forum member has at the hand the correct OOB for 1940 Blackshirt divisions we could have some answer.

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Posted 13 October 2007 by David

I want to ressurect this thread!

Can we confirm if the following Bersaglieri Motorcyclisti battaglione existed, and were in North Africa?

If we assume that Lupo is correct, then we can identify & place 60, 61, 201, 202 & 22.

That leaves the following to identify (ie confirm their presence in N.A) as we can place them according to Lupo.

They are...

62nd.

63rd.

64th?
203rd?

204th.

10th.

16th.

20th.

21st.

25th.

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