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Replace Mussolini in Prewar Italy

#1 User is offline   mrsund 

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Posted 24 October 2005 - 07:21 PM

Hi, this is my first post, so be kind :)

I was wondering if there where any coupattempt or at least serious plans of it to replace Mussolini?
If so, by who and for what reason?
If not, why not?
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 06:14 PM

If possible, rent the film "Love and Anarchy" by Lina Wertmuller. It is fictional, but it does show that there was some serious opposition to Mussolini that might have developed into an assassination plot. The anarchist movement was still strong in some parts of Italy.
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 06:32 PM

You may be interested in knowing that there were 4 attempts on Il Duce's life, and that in late 1939, some foreign newspapers reported that there was a plot within the Party (the "Goatees Conjuration", reportedly masterminded by Balbo, De Bono and Grandi). However it seems to have vanished into thin air within a little while.
(source: http://www.cronologia.it)
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 07:10 PM

Gian said:

You may be interested in knowing that there were 4 attempts on Il Duce's life


I thought that there were lots more attempts.
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 07:18 PM

Thanks Gian, just that sort of info I need for an event in the game, sorry to say that I dont speak Italian but thanks for the link anyway

But the names, are they the same as them here?

Pietro Badoglio: Head of the Italian government
Italo Balbo: Minister of Air and Governor of Libya
Galeazzo Ciano: Italian Foreign Minister
Emilio De Bono: Member of the Italian Grand Council
Dino Grandi: Member of the Italian Grand Council
Benito Mussolini: Italian Duce
Victor Emmanuel III: King of Italy

Was they punished, did they remain in power or was it just western propaganda?
What did Mussolini do when he heard about it?

@Joseph Salemi
The anarchist movement, was it a factor to count?
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#6 User is offline   Joseph Salemi 

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 07:58 PM

I think so, but there are some people on this forum who disagree with me. They think anarchism was dead by 1920. In my opinion anarchism had roots in medieval Italy, and therefore was still strong among some of the peasant population.
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 10:08 PM

A good idea should be to separate plots internal to fascist system (party/monarchy/armed forces/finance) from plots external to fascism (antifascist/democratics/marxist/anarchist)...
melius esse quam videri

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 10:46 PM

Mussolini was both hated and loved by the Italian people. While he did many things to bring Italy into the 21st century, he also alienated many people doing so. I know of one attempt on his life by an old, I believe Irish woman. She actually shot at him and the bullet grazed his nose. I remember reading that he let her go after this incident. I have never heard of any other actual attempts on his life however
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Posted 26 October 2005 - 06:30 AM

soft white underbelly said:

Mussolini was both hated and loved by the Italian people. While he did many things to bring Italy into the 21st century, he also alienated many people doing so. I know of one attempt on his life by an old, I believe Irish woman. She actually shot at him and the bullet grazed his nose. I remember reading that he let her go after this incident. I have never heard of any other actual attempts on his life however



That Irish woman was Violet Gibson. She was, according to her, on a mission of God. The Carbinieri was just in time to save from a lynching crowd and Mussolini sent her back to Ireland (or England). This was in 1925, I think.


There were more attempts on his life:
- A 16-year old wanted to shoot Mussolini (the boy was lynched and ripped apart by the crowd).
- A bomb exploded just after his car drove by.
- A (I believe socialist) sniper was just arrested before he could shoot.

I thought that there were some more cases. Mussolini was one lucky fellow.
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Posted 26 October 2005 - 10:19 AM

Thanks guys,

I also need specific dates of the attempts and some input of how close it was and then I could use it for the events.

The timeframe of the game is from 1936 so everything before that I cant use.


Another thing that could make the game more intresting is if there were some misstakes done about the industrialisation and the militarybuildup in Italy (or good things), then I could put it in a event where the player can choose the path, do as Mussolini or dont. for good or worse.
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Posted 26 October 2005 - 10:21 AM

If Mussolini was killed or replaced, who do you think could take his place?
Civilwar, the King or some Officer?
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Posted 26 October 2005 - 04:05 PM

The Fascism substitute in being for Mussolini was, according a Gran Consiglio vote issued on 1927. he died, anyway, on 27 June 1939 by a stroke.

The communist party looked at Mussolini's health, by Stalin's orders, since 1932 as the Italian and Soviet partnership (first of all in naval maters) was too much important for USSR. Any anti-fascist plot, so, was put in jeopardy by the direct line between the PCI and the OVRA.

Guido Leto (the deputy chief of the Italian police) stated that Galeazzo Ciano (the son of Costanzo) had plotted to poison his father in law (with Himmler support) in Autumn 1939. The young foreign minister had not the gut, anyway, to go on.

The question about the industrial "sliding doors" and choices is, anyway, quite interesting.

May you be a little more specific?

Bye

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 05:08 PM

So the son in law tried to give him poison, nice family, thanks.

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The Fascism substitute in being for Mussolini was, according a Gran Consiglio vote issued on 1927. he died, anyway, on 27 June 1939 by a stroke.


This I dont understand, who did they vote for?

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The question about the industrial "sliding doors" and choices is, anyway, quite interesting.


This is the classic whatif scenario, what if they gave some corporates the task to produce a weaponsystem earlier or maybe an industrialefficencyprogram.
Or some replacement in power Like putting an "Albert Speer" inhead of the Italian industrialdepartment.
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