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Question about AXIS FORCES IN TUNISIA (1943)

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Posted 29 May 2003 - 06:02 AM

The oob on this site lists the German 90 Leichtdivision and 164 Leichtdivision with the 1st Army 20th and 21st Corps. Was this the full divisions or just Kempfgruppe from these?
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Posted 30 May 2003 - 12:29 PM

Full divisions, they were integral part of I army
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Posted 31 May 2003 - 05:37 AM

Thanks. Wanted to be sure about that.
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Posted 03 June 2003 - 01:36 PM

My info is that 1st Army and XXX Corps were formed in late Feb. 1943 from Panzerarmee Ober Kommando 5.
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Posted 03 June 2003 - 02:27 PM

the 1st Italian Army had been activated in late February 1943 (23rd IIRC but I'm not sure)in southern Tunisia for trasformation of the old PanzerArmee Afrika/ACIT retreating from Libya.
The Italian XXX Corps had been formed in Italy in spring 1942 for invasion of Malta. In December 1942 it reached directly Tunis to join italian forces which had partecipated in Tunisia occupation and was incorporated in German 5th Army.

Neither italian unit had been formed by a german army command
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Posted 03 June 2003 - 10:21 PM

Ok. That helps. My info is that the following were the Italian forces
in on that Axis occupation of Tunisia before XXX Corps arrived:

1st (Superga)Infantry Division
136. Semovente Battalion
137. Semovente Battalion
557. Semovente Battalion

Then XXX Corps arrived and incorporated some of them and was attached to the German V Army/Armeegruppe Afrika, so:

XXX Corps
General Vittorio Sogno
1st (Superga) Infantry Division
50th (Imperiali) Special Brigade
? Marine Infantry Battallion


This seem correct?
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 04:20 AM

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Ok. That helps. My info is that the following were the Italian forces
in on that Axis occupation of Tunisia before XXX Corps arrived:

1st (Superga)Infantry Division
136. Semovente Battalion
137. Semovente Battalion
557. Semovente Battalion

Then XXX Corps arrived and incorporated some of them and was attached to the German V Army/Armeegruppe Afrika, so:

XXX Corps
General Vittorio Sogno
1st (Superga) Infantry Division
50th (Imperiali) Special Brigade
? Marine Infantry Battallion


This seem correct?


I am reading the U.S. Army in World War II "Northwest Africa Mediterranean Theatre" and this is all it came up with for initial Tunisia Italian OOB
1st Superga Division
50th Special Brigade
47th Grenadier Regiment

XXX Corps assumed command over the portion of the 5th Panzer Army front south of the Superga division, on 12 Jan 43 with:

Group Benigni
47th Grenadier Regiment (Lt. Col Buse)
50th Special Brigade (Gen. Giovanni Imperiali)

Rommel brought to Tunisia (20 Jan 43?)
15th Panzer
21st Panzer
164th Light Africa Division
Supplemented by the 1st Luftwaffe Jaeger Brigade
Total German Troops under Rommel numbered 30,000

131st Centauro Armored
16th (Pistoia)
80th (La Spezia)
101st (Trieste)
13th (Giovanni Fascisti)
Saharan Group
Total Italian Troops under Rommel numbered 48,000

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 07:00 AM

There's a trouble. Italian Army had never had a 47th Grenadier Regiment. I don't know which unit you are referring to
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 01:26 PM

47th Grenadier Regiment was a German unit attached to the XXX Corps

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 07:05 PM

All right Jim, I believed you were talking about an italian unit
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